À vot' bon cœur ! pas d'ouverture - manque d'altitude

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

Pour les documents (points de passage) suivants, il faudrait ajouter soit l’altitude, soit l’ouverture pour les refuges et gîtes.

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Voici le lot de documents à compléter pour la Suisse :

Altitude

Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT

Ouverture (refuges et gîtes)

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104010 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104009 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104006 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104005 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104000 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103998 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103997 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103990 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103989 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103988 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103987 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103984 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103983 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103982 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103980 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103978 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103963 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103952 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103950 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103940 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103934 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103932 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103931 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/103929 : custodianship is missing

merci

[AntoineM]

Tu peux passer en wiki pour qu’on marque ce qu’on a fait ?

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

Voici le lot de documents à compléter pour l’Espagne :

Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing FAIT

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

Voici le lot de documents à compléter pour l’Italie :

Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
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Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
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Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/136609 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/136608 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/136605 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/136599 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/131439 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/128884 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/126262 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/121581 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/120972 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/115703 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/114717 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113844 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113843 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113842 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113841 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113840 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113839 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113838 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113837 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113836 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113835 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113833 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113816 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113799 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113793 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113716 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/113409 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/111977 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104179 : custodianship is missing

Déjà les altitudes ce serait bien !
(souvent faisable avec les cartes en ligne sur c2c)

[Bernard-Pyr]

@Borut

custodianship is missing

Bonsoir,
Pour l’Espagne je viens de faire pas mal de « custodianship is missing ».
Il faudrait voir ce qu’il reste.
A+

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

Bravo et merci !

Pour l’Espagne, il n’en reste plus que six :

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

Merci @Miko @Bernard-Pyr @AntoineM

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J’ai du mal à évaluer pour la France entière, mais voici déjà les resultats pour des départements bien denses en points de passage. Ça couvre plus que deux tiers du territoire :

####Savoie

Altitude

Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing

Ouverture (refuge, gîte)

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing

Hautes-Alpes

Altitude

Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing

Ouverture (refuge, gîte)

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing

####Haute-Savoie

Altitude

Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
Camptocamp.org : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102624 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102623 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102564 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102516 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102329 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102324 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102317 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102309 : elevation is missing

Ouverture (refuge, gîte)

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/591553 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/514398 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/312910 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/307663 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/291008 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/198141 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/131611 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104070 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104064 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/104050 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/41124 : custodianship is missing

Alpes de Haute-Provence

Altitude

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/813860 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102997 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102597 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102083 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102048 : elevation is missing

Ouverture (refuge, gîte)

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/485278 : custodianship is missing

Alpes-Maritimes

Altitude

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102919 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102913 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102487 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102106 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102105 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102099 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102092 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102091 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102089 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102087 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102086 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102082 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102080 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102079 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102078 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102077 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102073 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102072 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102071 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102070 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102069 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102067 : elevation is missing

Hautes-Pyrénées

Altitude

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/287514 : elevation is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102830 : elevation is missing

Ouverture (refuge, gîte)

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/344220 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/237420 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/237418 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/162892 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/162891 : custodianship is missing
https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/156418 : custodianship is missing

Ce serait déjà bien si on pouvait avoir les altitudes !
(pour les altitudes, voir par ex. aussi les cartes en ligne disponibles sur C2C)

C’est tout pour un bon moment

[Florence_B]

On tombe parfois sur ce genre de bizarrerie : 1 sommet (géographiquement parlant) + 1 point de passage type site d’escalade pour décrire le sommet + itinéraire type grande voie.

Exemple :
Sommet : Camptocamp.org
Site : Camptocamp.org
Voie : Camptocamp.org

Quel est l’intérêt du point de passage type site d’escalade ? (il me semble que ça a déjà été discuté mais j’ai oublié…)
Et qu’est ce qu’on met en altitude? Celle du sommet géographique?

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

@Florence_B

(il me semble que ça a déjà été discuté mais j’ai oublié…)

perso traite au cas par cas, et je regarde un peu sur la carte OTM. Je ne pense pas que ce soit au centimètre

[Florence_B]

Ok pour la précision, ce n’est pas vraiment mon problème, j’arrondis à 5m près au minimum…
C’est plutôt sur le côté doublon au niveau des points de passage : 1 point de passage type sommet et un autre type site d’escalade.
Si on prend la pointe de l’Observatoire en Vanoise (Camptocamp.org), on n’a pas de point de passage type site d’escalade, tous les itinéraires (randos et escalade) sont regroupés sous le point de passage « sommet ».
Faut-il créer un point de passage type « site d’escalade » pour la Pointe de l’Observatoire?

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

Le plus simple c’est de tout garder, et juste d’ajouter l’altitude là où elle fait défaut.

Pour les refuges et les gîtes, l’information est souvent déjà parmi les Infos Générales, et c’est seulement le champ (ouverture) qui reste a remplir.

[Bubu]

Il y avait 2 doublons que j’ai fusionné avec le sommet.
Un point de passage de type site d’escalade est utile pour rassembler :

• Les grandes voies d’une face ou paroi, comme la Paroi de Gramusset, qui fait pourtant partie du sommet de la Pointe Percée. Il faut que ça vaille le coup : s’il n’y a qu’1 ou 2 itinéraires par face, on met tout sous le sommet.
• Un secteur de grandes voies sur une falaise sans sommet bien défini.
• Un secteur de couenne.

Ici, il y avait un vieux doublon issu de la V4, pour décrire l’arête du Doigt.

[Florence_B]

Y’a celui-ci qui est également tendancieux : La Tournette (Camptocamp.org)

[Bubu]

Oui, ça fait plus de 6 mois que j’ai commencé à réorganiser les itinéraires d’escalade de la Tournette. Je pensais faire 2-3 déplacement et fusions, mais on tire un fil et on s’aperçoit de tous les défauts à corriger…
Je terminerai. Ne rien fusionner en attendant.

[Florence_B]

Petite remarque supplémentaire : les altitudes renseignées à 0 NGF ne sont pas considérées valables. Pourtant, certains sites sont situés en bord de mer, voire certaines voies démarrent les pieds dans l’eau…

[Bubu]

Met 1m.

[AntoineM]

@CharlesB, il reste de vieilles balises:

https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/144005/fr/la-pedriza-de-manzanares

Est-ce du au fait que l’altitude manque et @rabot n’a pu passer ?

[Bubu]

Oui. Idem pour tous les champs obligatoires. Sur la V5 certains champs n’étaient pas vraiment obligatoires, c’est juste l’UI qui bloquait ou masquait des champs / boutons, mais on pouvait contourner en changeant d’activité ou de type, ou le masquage ne fonctionnait pas correctement sur tous les navigateurs. Et certains champs n’ont pas toujours été obligatoires. D’où ces champs obligatoires mais non renseignés.
C’est la raison pour laquelle borut s’intéresse soudainement à l’altitude et au type d’ouverture des refuges : les champs non renseignés le bloquent dans ses corrections

[AntoineM]

Altitude Espagne OK

en faisant des corrections avec @CaBot je viens de trouver:

Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing
Camptocamp.org : custodianship is missing

(FAIT)

[Borut.Kantuser.alpinist]

ça bloque rien, mais c’est affiché.

et j’ai soudainement eu envie de partager mes découvertes.

en plus, savoir si un refuge est ouvert ou pas, c’est une info de qualité