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#1

Une Folie per Umberto Maria

#2

Hi @ThomasWuyts. Hi there, it’s me again from the @Modo_Topo_FR_contact team.
Nice report, bravo. But (aaahhh there always one) you created a route document that already exists:

https://www.camptocamp.org/routes/575758/fr/mont-blanc-du-tacul-une-folie-pour-umberto-maria

What are we going to do? Will you make some changes to the already existing document. Do you feel up to it (after that an admin can continue the fusion work)?

#3

Ciao!

Oh wow, while researching (albeit in Torino winterroom) we never found this c2c page! So I just assumed it did not exist yet… and then made one.

Fusioning would be good, I’m willing to do the necessary changes. But in which of the two do you want me to do that? Mine or the old?

The old one seems more detailed at first glance, but frankly i don’t recognize in it at all what we encountered! Lenght and grading wise mine is more accurate.

Also we found quite a serious proposal in this route: the first m6 pitch is pretty serious protectionwise (i added a piton to it), the m6+/7 pitch well protected, but technically hard. Given that it comes in full ice conditions only every 10 years or so (and with global warming, who knows), adding the mixed grades for dryer conditions seems 100% fair. M4, m6, m6, m6+/7 certainly isn’t TD-, nor 4+?

Finally the pitch descriptions of the old page are also pretty ‹ nulle ›: once in the goulotte and in ice you follow the ice, any further description is frankly just confusing. It becomes only relevant when you get into the mixed conditions.

Thanks for letting me know and I will do the necessary!

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#4

What we do is to keep the prior document. Feel free to make changes / updates to the older doc. Thanks for your involvement.
Best climbing…

#5

@ThomasWuyts

Hi.

I made an update. Please take a look and tell me what you think about it. Or simply make some changes to it. Once we get it straight we’ll fusion both docs. Don’t worry (ha ha), you’ll be credited.

Here goes:

https://www.camptocamp.org/routes/575758/fr/mont-blanc-du-tacul-une-folie-pour-umberto-maria
(the mobile rendering isn’t that good, but the PC version seems ok)

#6

Excellent. I made some changes and I’m happy with it, although the pitch descriptions still seem a bit confused to me (I do not understand the description of the first 2 pitches of the version glace).

For me it is fine to merge them like this.

No credits needed, but will my outing be transferred or do I need to remake it?

Thanks for the good care!

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